"Batman v Superman's" Zack Snyder Explains the Significance of Robin's Death (2024)

"Batman v Superman's" Zack Snyder Explains the Significance of Robin's Death

The "Man of Steel" director discussed Robin's death in detail and explained why including it was crucial to understanding "Batman v Superman's" Batman.

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solletaire said:

Oh, that suit meant Robin died in the DCEU? Wow, it's amazing how poorly Snyder and compony explained some of their kind of important plot points or references to future projects...

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Really? Did anyone not see the decrepit suit with Joker's message on it and NOT think that it represented a dead Robin? Anyone at all?

GSwarthout said:

Really? Did anyone not see the decrepit suit with Joker's message on it and NOT think that it represented a dead Robin? Anyone at all?

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Nobody I saw it with got it, so no... Honestly you might not even understand it's a Robin suit if you are not an avid comic book reader... and even then you might not get past "Was that a Robin costume?"

londeaux said:

I didn't realize it was a Robin costume. Which doesn't really mean much since there are now four Robins. Since he was killed by Joker I'm assuming it's Jason Todd, Robin #2.

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There are four Robins in the comics. In the movies, there's nothing yet to indicate there's more than one. It's *probably* Jason Todd, especially coming halfway through his career, but we don't know that. At any rate, whichever Robin it was sounds like they were the last Robin.

solletaire said:

Nobody I saw it with got it, so no... Honestly you might not even understand it's a Robin suit if you are not an avid comic book reader... and even then you might not get past "Was that a Robin costume?"

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Yeah, I could easily see people who don't read comics and have never heard of "A Death in the Family" having it fly right over their heads, esp. since the costume didn't sport the traditional red-n-green Robin colors.

Aw Robin is with Jimmy Olsen.

No room for pals in Synder's town.

londeaux said:

I didn't realize it was a Robin costume. Which doesn't really mean much since there are now four Robins. Since he was killed by Joker I'm assuming it's Jason Todd, Robin #2.

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There's no reason to assume that because the movie didn't go into that amount of detail. Not to mention it doesn't follow the comic book at all. So as far as we know, in this version of the DCEU, Batman only had one Robin and he/she was killed by The Joker.

kalorama said:

Yeah, I could easily see people who don't read comics and have never heard of "A Death in the Family" having it fly right over their heads, esp. since the costume didn't sport the traditional red-n-green Robin colors.

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Yeah, some splashes of green and red, or a plaque with "Robin" on it... I think it would have been a much more of a "wow" moment if it were made more inclusive... Same with the Darkseid/Flash sequence... Same with Jimmy Olsen

I mean, maybe it will all make sense when you've watched all 10 movies, but I wouldn't think that's the effect you want to achieve given the time lapse between movies...

Phil Clark said:

Zack, don't you get that if you have to explain the significance of a plot point after the movie has been released, you basically failed as a storyteller. Zack Snyder really needs to STFU. Better to remain silent and be assumed ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

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What utter nonsense. He isn't treating his audience like idiots that they need to be spoonfed every godamn detail.

kalorama said:

Yeah, I could easily see people who don't read comics and have never heard of "A Death in the Family" having it fly right over their heads, esp. since the costume didn't sport the traditional red-n-green Robin colors.

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Pretty sure the Big R on the costume was a dead give away.

Baggie_Saiyan said:

What utter nonsense. He isn't treating his audience like idiots that they need to be spoonfed every godamn detail.

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Eh

There is a fine line between easter egg and something important.

If its an easter egg only, then it can't have importance as the GA won't get it.

If it is important to the story (batman turning darker), then it needs to be clear enough the GA would understand.

He tried to do both with this. Use an easter egg and make it important.

Baggie_Saiyan said:

What utter nonsense. He isn't treating his audience like idiots that they need to be spoonfed every godamn detail.

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This is the problem, people complain about origin stories, then they complain when there are no spoonfed details on how the character has arrived at this point in their life. I thought the outfit that has been in the trailer and in promos for the last 10 months would have been pretty explanatory to people, but then there is this thread on this forum that proves otherwise.

MindofShadow said:

Eh

There is a fine line between easter egg and something important.

If its an easter egg only, then it can't have importance as the GA won't get it.

If it is important to the story (batman turning darker), then it needs to be clear enough the GA would understand.

He tried to do both with this. Use an easter egg and make it important.

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Actually no the audience told Batman went darker through the dialogue of Alfred. Besides it is not like they care they just want to see Batman v Superman.

Baggie_Saiyan said:

Pretty sure the Big R on the costume was a dead give away.

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That was honestly barely visible... A blink and you'll miss it detail... which is fine, but then what's the point of attributing this much importance to it, you know?

And there is a difference between spoon feeding and showcasing important story moments...

Baggie_Saiyan said:

Pretty sure the Big R on the costume was a dead give away.

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Pretty sure it wasn't, at least not for most people who didn't already know what it was.

Aside from it being the same color as the rest of the tunic and this barely distinguishable, visually . . . it really wasn't that big, and the angle on which it was set, the upward view of the camera, and the actual design of the emblem itself made it hard to identify as an "R," esp. in the brief glimpse we actually get of the suit. Hell, even in the still photo, at first glance it actually looks more like an "A" than an "R."